The Hubeners – The Family of Albertina Hubener

Archibald Neil Before Marriage

I do not know anything about the birth of Archibald Neil. There are no likely Archibald Neil’s in the register of births or baptisms; it is possible that he was not born as a Neil at all and adopted that name when he, himself, was adopted. Interestingly there is an Archibald McKenna born in 1917 in Govanhill and his mother’s maiden name was Cassidy but that might be a stretch. There is a lot more that could be done to research this birth. Ordering a paper certificate might clear up some of the questions about Archibald – or not!

The first knowledge of Archibald that I have is at the 1921 Census when he is said to be aged five years and three months and he is a scholar and lives with his parents, John and Mary, at 68 Main Street, Calton, Glasgow. I have no further information on Archibald unti his marraige in 1937

Marriage of Archibald Neil and Albertina Hubner 27 Dec 1937 at St Mark’s Church, Glasgow

1939-12-27 MAR Archibald Neil + Albertina Hubner [[N501-clip]]

“1937 Marriages in the District of Shettleston in the Burgh of Glasgow. Iten 460
On the 27 day of December 1937 at St Mark’s Church, Glasgow After Publication according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church [were married] Signed: Archibald Neil, Housepainter (Journeyman), Bachelor [aged] 21 [usual residence] 9 Pitcairn Street, Glasgow [son of] John Neil Dock Labourer(Deceased) and Mary Neil, M.S. McKenna
[and]
[Signed: Albertina Hubner, Spinster [aged] 19 [usual residence] 25 Methven Street, Glasgow, [daughter of] Albert Hubner, Iron Roof Erector and Margaret Hubner, M.S. Docherty (Deceased)
(Signed) James Kearney, Catholic Clergyman, St Mark’s Carntyne Signed Patrick Boyle 189 Springfield Rd, Glasgow, Mary Boyle 189 Springfield Road, Glasgow Witnesses. Registered 28 December 1937 at Glasgow. A Livingstone Assistant Registrar
[Note in Sidebar] Divorce Glasgow 1965

Marriage of Archibald Neil 27 Dec 1937, Scotland’s People, (Statutory registers Marriages 644/1 460) Page 230, Item 460

Here we find Archibald as a 21 year-old bachelor, a housepainter journeyman who lives at 9 Pitcairn Street, Shettleston where he and his adoptive father and mother lived at the 1921 Census. Albertina is the daughter of Albert Hubner an iron roof erector and Margaret Hubner ms Docherty – she is deceased. Margaret is described as a 19 year-old spinster; she lists no occupation. The winesses were Patrick and Mary Boyle. of 189 Springfield Road, Glasgow.

I also found this event recorded in the marriage register for St Mark’s Catholic Church, Carntyne, Diocese of Glasgow (It seems boundary changed made it Carntyne but at was originally in Shettleston)

1937-12-27 MAR Archibald Neil + Albertina Hubner [[N499-clip]]

“127 Dec 1937 [I] Jacobus Kearney [married] Archibald Neil [child of] John Neil and Mary McKenna [and] Albertina Hubner [child of] Albert Hubner and Margaret Docherty. [Witnesses] Patrick Boyle, Mary Boyle. [Signed] Jacobus Kearney”

Marriage of Archibald Neil and Albertina Hubner 27 Dec 1937. Find My Past. Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages Archive Ref MP/470/1/4/1 Record ID SCOT/RC/MAR2/0104845/1

The witnesses are also listed as Patrick and Mary Boyle but no address is given.

Some Background on the Family of Albertina Hubener

I did a little bit of research on the Hubner’s and found the birth of Albertina Hubner

Birth of Albertina Hubener 28 June 1918 at 19 Portland Street, Glasgow.

1918-06-28 BIR Albertina Hubener child of Albert Hubener + Margaret Docharty 19 Portland Street, St Rollox, Glasgow [[N504-clip]]

“1918 Births in the District of St. Rollox in the Burgh of Glasgow.
Albertina Hubener  (Illegitimate) [born] Twenty-eighth June 1918 [at] 9h 15m am [at] 19 Portland Street, Glasgow [daughter of] Albert Hubener Iron Roof Erector  [and] Margaret Docherty.  [informant] Margaret Docherty, Mother  [note] A Hubener Father Registered 15 July 1918 at Glasgow [by] M.A.S. Matheson Assistant Registrar.”

Birth of Albertina Hubener 28 June 1918. Scotland’s People. Scotland Statutory Marriage Registers 1918 HUBENER, ALBERTINA (Statutory registers Births 644/81010) Page 337 Item 1010.

Here we find that at this earlier stage in Albert Hubener’s life he is already an iron roof erector as he was when his daughter, Albertina, married Archibald Neil in 1937. Albertina’s mother is named as Margaret Docherty and the birth is an illegitimate one. That did not prevent a baptising of the  child a month later.

Baptism of Albertina Hubener 25 Jul 1918 at St Andrew’s Metropolitan Cathedral, Glasgow

1918-07-25 BAP Albertina Hubener child of Albert Hubener + Margaret Docharty, St Andrew's Metropolitan Cathedral [[N508-clip]]

“Albertina, Child of Albert Hubener and Margaret Doherty born the 28th day of June  1918 was baptised by me on this 25th day of July 1918 [Stranger] [sponsor] Catherine Morris [Priest] John McQuillan

Baptism of Albertina Hubener 25 Jul 1918 at St Andrew’s Metropolitan Cathedral, Clyde Street, Glasgow. Find My Past. Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Archive Ref MP/62/1/2/11 Record ID SCOT/RC/BAP2/0684689

I also found a sister for Albertina – Margaret, who was born two years after Albertina.

Birth of Margaret Hubener 18 Jun 1920 at 19 Portland Street, Glasgow.

1918-06-28 BIR Margaret Hubener child of Albert Hubener + Margaret Docharty 19 Portland Street, St Rollox, Glasgow [[N505-clip]]

“1920 Births in the District of St. Rollox in the Burgh of Glasgow.
Margaret Hubener [born] Eighteenth June 1920 [at] 0h 40m am [at] 19 Portland Street, Glasgow [daughter of] Albert Hubener Iron Roof Erector  [and] Margaret Docherty, Laundry worker  [informant] M Docherty, Mother  [note] A Hubener Father Registered 7 July 1920 at Glasgow [by] Hugh Welsh Registrar.

Birth of Margaret Hubener 18 June 1920 Scotland’s People. Scotland Statutory Birth Registers 1920 HUBENER, MARGARET (Statutory registers Births 644/8 1677) Page 559 Item 1677.

Here we The Hubeners still living at 19 Portland Place. Albert Hubener is still an iron roof erector and his wife, Margaret, is said to be a laundryworker. This birth also looks to be illegitimate as the mother’s name is given as Margaret Docherty not “Hubener ms Docherty”. Unlike Albertina’s registration which specifically records the birth as illegitimate, this one only infers it.

We find the two children and their parents  a year later at the 1921 Census when they were still  living at 19 Portland Street, St Rollox, Glasgow

The Hubeners at the 1921 Census – 19 Portland Stree, St Rollox, Glasgow

1921-06-19 CEN Albert Hubener + Margaret Docharty 19 Portland Street, St Rollox, Glasgow [[N500-clip]]
Name Relation Age Sex Mar/Orph Birthplace Nationality Occupation Status Employment Health Ins Chd <16 Ages
Albert Hubner Head 38y 9m M M New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Resident US Citizen Steel Roofing Erector W Redpath Brown & Co, Building Contactors M 2 1,3
Margaret Hubner Wife 30y 3m F M Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Albertina Hubner Daughter 3 F S Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Margaret Hubner Daughter 1 S Glasgow, Lanarkshire

1921 Census Return for 19 Portland Street, St Rollox, Glasgow (Scotland’s People 1921 Census England, Wales & Scotland Census: 1921 HUBENER, ALBERT (Census 644/8 45/ 1) Page 1 of 11

We find out some interesting details about Albertina’s father, Albert Hubner (or Hubener as it says here). He was born in New Orleans, Louisiana, USA around 1882. He is now aged 38 years and nine months and is a steel roofing erector working for Redpath Brown & Co, Building Contactors. His wife, Margaret, is a bit younger at 30 years and 3 months. We see them with their two children, Albertina, aged 3 and Margaret aged 1.

I say his wife, because Margaret is recorded as such in this census return, but was she ever really married to Albert Hubener? I have been unable to find a marriage for them. I eventually found a death registration for Albert (see below) that says he was married twice but neither of these was to Margaret Docherty. This is made more complicated by the fact that we find Albert Hubener marrying Elizabeth Galloway in 1935 where he describes himself as a widower. This is because Margaret Hubener or Docherty died

Death of Margaret Hubener or Docherty 17 Jan 1929 at Stobhill Hospital, Glasgow

1929-01-17 DEA Margaret Hubener or Docharty wife of Albert Hubener, 133 Balornock Road, Glasgow [[N506-clip]]

“1929 Deaths in the District of Springburn in the County of Lanark Page 13 Item 39
Margaret Hubener Married to Albert Hubener Iron Roof Erector [died] 17 January 1929 [at] 133 Balornock Road, Glasgow [usual res] 184 Gallowgate, Glasgow [aged] 27 [daughter of] John Docherty Hammerman [and]  Sarah Ann Docherty or Boyle (Deceased). [cause of death]  Pulmonary Tuberculosis as cert by A D Briggs MB ChB.  [informant] Albert Hubener, Husband, Widower, 184 Gallowgate, Glasgow Registered 8 Jan 1929 at Glasgow [by] W. G. Donaldson

Death of Margaret Hubner or Docherty 17 Jan 1929 at Stobhill Hospital, Glasgow. Scotland’s People. Scotland Statutory Death Registers 1929 DOCHERTY, MARGARET (Statutory registers Deaths 644/6 39) Page 13 Item 39

This record clearly states that Margaret Hubener is the wife of Albert Hubener and he is the informat at the registration of the death. He is described as “husband, widower”. However, I have not found a marriage for them and even if they were never married Albert may still have claimed that they were for official purposes. The family home seems to have been 184 Gallowgate, Glasgow. Margaret died of pulmonary tuberculosis. We next hear of Albert six years later when he marries Elizabeth Galloway or Wallace.

Marriage of Albert Hubner and Elizabeth Galloway or Wallace 26 Jul 1935 at 94 Drumover Drive, Glasgow

1935-07-26 MAR Albert Hubner + Elizabeth Galloway or Wallace, Shettleston [[N503-clip]]

“1935 Marriages in the District of Shettleston in the Burgh of Glasgow Page 150 Item 300
On the 26 day of July 1935 at 94 Drumover Drive, Glasgow After Publication according to the forms of the Church of Scotland  [were married] Signed: Albert Hubner, Roofing Erector, Widower [aged] 50 usual residence] 25 Methven Street, Glasgow [son of] Frank Hubner, Farmer (Deceased) and Mary Hubner, M.S. Flynn (Deceased)
and
Signed: Elizabeth Wallace, Elizabeth Galloway or Wallace , Widow  [aged] 35 [usual residence] 25 Methven Street, Glasgow [daughter of] John Galloway, Sawmill Labourer (Deceased) and Elizabeth Galloway, M.S. Barr
Signed John McC Campbell, Minister, Church of Scotland, Tollcross Park, Glasgow
Signed  Witnesses Thomas Pearson, 406½  Gallowgate, Glasgow. Signes Agnes Pearson, 406½  Gallowgate, Glasgow
[Registered] 27th July 1935 at Glasgow [by] A William F Nicol Assistant Registrar”

Marriage of Albert Hubner and Elizabeth Galloway 26 July 1935. Scotland’s People, Scottish Statutory Marriage Registers Ref 1935 HUBNER, ALBERT (Statutory registers Marriages 644/1 300) Page 150 Item 300

Here we find that Albert and Elizabeth are both said to live at 25 Methven Street, Glasgow (although they were married at 94 Drumover Drive, Glasgow) He is a 50 year-old widower and she is a rather younger widow at just 35. Elizabeth Galloway had married a Wallace and when I searched the index to marriage registrations I did come across and entry for an Elizabeth Galloway marrying a Thomas Wallace in 1918 (644/3/764 Calton RD). This is a good fit for a first marriage for Elizabeth but a bit tangential to our purposes. There were too many possible deaths for me to locate his with any certainty.

At the point that Albert and Elizabeth mary, and are both said to live at 25 Methven Street, Glasgow, Akberts daughter, Albertina would be seventeen-years-old and Margaret would have been fifteen-years-old. This was probably something of a handful for a 50 year old father to manage on his own. It is noteworthy that his new wife is only thirty-five.

As we saw earlier, few years later in 1937, Albertina married Archibald Neil; she was aged just nineteen then. I could not find a marriage for her sister, Margaret but I have found a death index entry that is likely for her suggesting that she never married.

Surname Forename Age at death Mother's Maiden Name Gender Year Ref RD Name
HUBNER MARGARET 59 DOCHERTY F 1979 609 / 880 Glasgow, Martha St

Of, course, she would have been aged about nineteen when the Great War started and this reduced massively the number of available male partners and this could have been a factor.

To finish off with Albertina’s parents we get to the death of her father in 1949 when he was aged sixty-six.

Death of Albert Hubener 26 Feb 1949 at The Royal Infirmary, Glasgow.

1949-02-26 DEA Albert Hubner father of Albertina Hubner [[N507-clip]]

“1949 Deaths in the District of Townsend in the Burgh of Glasgow Page 95 Item 285
Albert Hubner, Steel Erector married to (1) Margaret Hannah (2) Elizabeth Galloway or Wallace [died] 26 February 1949 [at] 0h 50m PM [at] Royal Infirmary, Glasgow [ur] 25 Methven Street [aged] 66 [son of] Frank Hubener Farmer (Deceased) [and] Mary Hubner MS Green(Deceased) [cause of death] Chronic Tuberculosis with cavitation in both apices. Tuberculosis of Larynx [as cert by] H Carmichael (?) MB ChB [informant] E Hubner Widow Present [Registered] 28 February 1949 at Glasgow [by] W McKenzie Registrar”

Death of Albert Hubner 26 February 1949 Scotland’s People, Scottish Statutory Death Registers Ref 1949 HUBNER, ALBERT (Statutory registers Deaths 644/6 285) Page 95 Item 285

There are a number of oddities in this record. He is said to have been married twice; firstly to Margaret Hannah. However, I have failed to find any such marriage. Also, his mother is said to be Mary Hubner ms Green when we know that she was actually Mary Flynn. I have no explanation for these but they may just be mistakes. The informant was his second wife and probably never knew her husband’s mother. My own mother, who was the informant at my father’s death registration, gave the wrong maiden surname of my father’s mother. She said it was Mary Chrystal when it was, in fact, Margaret McDonald. Mary Chrystal was my father’s grandmother’s maiden surname. I think these kinds of mistakes are common when someone is unfamiliar with a spouse’s family as Elizabeth was with Albert’s family and my mother was with my father’s family. A similar thing could be said about the suggested name for Albert’s first wife.
An Elizabeth Hubner is recorded as dying in Glasgow in 1969 aged 68 suggesting that she was born around 1901 which is good for Albert’s second wife.

There is obviously a lot more that could be researched with the Hubeners including Albert’s arrival from America and his parents’ histories. This is, though, just meant to be some general background to the Hubeners. For the sake of completness, however, I repeat the findings of my research into Albertina Hubener and Archibald Neil that are part of the general page on the children of John Neil and Mary Anne Chrystal; Archibald was the adopted son of one of their children, John Neil, who had married Mary McKenna in 1913 but had no children of their own, but adopted Archibald. We saw, above, the marriage of Archibald and Albertina but I could find no children to them either. They divorced in 1965.

Divorce of Archibald Neil and Albertina Hubner 26 Feb 1965

1965-02-25 DIV Archibald Neil + Albertina Hubener [[N502-clip]]

“Register of Corrected Entries for the District of Glasgow in the Burgh of Glasgow Vol 2 Page 121
Register of Marriages for the District of Shettleston in the Burgh of Glasgow  for the year 1937 Entry No 460 18 February 1965, Decree of Divorce was pronounced by Lord Johnston Ordinary, in an action at the instancy of Albertina Hubner or Neil against Archibald Neil
 
The above insertion is made under the direction of the Registrar-General in terms of the 5th Section of the Act 18 and 19 Vict. c. 29
26 February 1965
R Macauley Assistant Registrar”

Divorce of Archibald Neil and Albertina Hubner 26 Feb 1965. Scotland’s People, Register of Corrected Entries NEIL, Archibald (Statutory registers Corrected Entries 644/ 01 002 121) (RCE) Page 121

I do not know whether Archibald remarried but I do not have any documentation to suggest this. You would think that someone divorces in order to remarry but this is just speculation on my part. Archibald would have been aged about forty-nine at the time of his divorce and Albertina a couple of years younger. I have not found a remarriage for either of them but these entries might be of interest when I have more time to look at this family

NEIL ARCHIBALD S BOYLE MARGARET ROSE 1968 644 / 7 / 584 Glasgow No image
NEIL ARCHIBALD HADDOW MARY CHALMERS 1971 644 / 9 / 405 Glasgow No image

Death of Archibald Neil 1986 in Glasgow

 I know nothing more about Archibald until his death for which no document is available online but there is an index entry for it. At some point it might be useful to obtain a copy of his death registration.

Surname Forename Age at death Mother's Maiden Name Gender Year Ref RD Name Image
NEIL ARCHIBALD 69 MCKENNA M 1986 617 / 59 Glasgow, Martha St No Image